General Category => Simplex Sportsman => Topic started by: dhan on October 21, 2013, 09:47:01 AM
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Hi guys posted over in the introduction thought I would post my numbers here also.
frame 18092
Motor m25075b
As I mentioned this is a sportsman but has crash bars as well as chrome flat wide fenders are the crash bars correct or has some swapping been done thanks Jason
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You need to post pictures of this bike! It is a 1960 model sportsman. They were available in both footpeg and floorboard/crashbar models. Does yours have an internal or external kickstarter? I think they could be had in both low rise and high rise handlebars.
Picture 1 is a 1960 high handlebar with external kickstart.
Pictures 2and 3 is 1960 low bars and internal kickstart.
Picture 4 is a 1959 rear footpeg model. According to one source, this was 1959 only, but I have one, frame # 17956, that seems to indicate a 1960.
Picture 5 is a 1958 front footpeg sportsman. These had the standard fenders and wheels.
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It's definitely a '60 model. I posted some comments over in the introduction section also. They made both versions towards the end (with & without crashbars).
Depending on what serial number Ricks is, your's is the 2nd newest confirmed on our registry (the other newer ones are reported from old records Bob Kerr has).
Mike Sal
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It's definitely a '60 model. I posted some comments over in the introduction section also. They made both versions towards the end (with & without crashbars).
Depending on what serial number Ricks is, your's is the 2nd newest confirmed on our registry (the other newer ones are reported from old records Bob Kerr has).
Mike Sal
Mike, we were typing at same time and I did include my frame number.
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I will do my best to get you some pics i am not all that great with computers so gotta get som help with that. It has an internal starter gear, and the standard dual plug head/cylinder. As a warning though it is in as found condition. thanks for your help so far guys. this one was all black. most of the sportsmans that I see are two tone is that also rather normal?
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Good question. It seems to me, all the ones I've ever seen, were 2 tone.
Posting pictures: http://www.simplexservi-cycle.com/index.php?topic=234.0
If you can't figure it out, send them to me and I will post them.
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I'm surprised it's got a dual plug cylinder. I wonder if it's been changed somewhere along the line.
Mike Sal
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Anyone reproducing that tank decal?
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Anyone reproducing that tank decal?
I just did a search, and check out what I just came up with! All these bikes appear to have a 2 tone tank, but it looks like it might just be a large decal!
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And one of the guys on here, Smallbore, had these available for the simplex senior sportsman.
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Rick..who has the automatic ones?
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great to know that the decal is available. Next question about how many were built? I have read several numbers from only a few to a full production run in 60. I belive that this bike is original paint although it is rough, the decal is nearly faded away. Its all black with chrome fenders and the white decal. thanks again guys Jason
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I don't know if the decal's are available, I just found the picture on google. I will be looking into it as I will be needing them.
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sorry rick I missunderstood. so what are you planning to do for tires on your project? there seems to be a good deal of confusion about them at least I am confused about them thanks jason
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with the right file I could get some made here...guys that do our race cars are really good...do wraps etc and tees and shirts.
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sorry rick I missunderstood. so what are you planning to do for tires on your project? there seems to be a good deal of confusion about them at least I am confused about them thanks jason
I am going to get the Coker 27 x 3.50, as that is what I believe to be correct. I will be working on the sportsman over the winter and will update everyone on the tires when I have the correct info.
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Here is a picture of a sportsman in blue. This is the only picture I could find of one not in red. According to a simplex dealer order form for 1960 models, sportsman's could be had in black,red,blue and chrome models.
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Looks more red than blue , Rick . ;)
Maybe the tank has been replaced ?
Pete . :)
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were the wide flat fenders always chrome and the traditonal rounded fenders painted? Thanks guys learning alot Jason
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were the wide flat fenders always chrome and the traditonal rounded fenders painted? Thanks guys learning alot Jason
I don't think so. It is my feeling that the 1958 Sportsman had the regular rounded fenders, along with the standard 2" wheels, whereas the 1959 and 1960 Sportsman went to the wider, flat fenders to accommodate the bigger tire/wheel combination.
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Doesn't look like the fender on the sportsman we picked up...but I know my 2008 ambassador whizzer had fenders for a 3" tire that would really look orig on a simplex...just not the sportsman style
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Rick, look at where the brake light switch is mounted on that bike.....makes me think it's another clue that the "crash bar" version Sportsmen were made from left over frames.....the top mounted brake switch was supposed to be a "56 only" feature from what I've been able to gather.
Mike Sal
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That picture I posted ONLY for the gas tank! I think that was in the Wollard collection, and the auction company threw a tank on a frame of who knows what year to sell it as a "roller".
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hey guys had a minute to work on the simplex last night. I am having trouble getting kicker gear and drive pulley free from the crank shaft. It is the sportsman with the inner gear assembly is the gear and pulley left hand thread ? or are they keyed to the shaft any advice would be great thanks jason
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Looking at the photos of Rick's engine (in the "Engine Tear Down" thread in the "Engine & Transmission" section) shows a pulley with a keyway & no threads. The pulleys on the non-sportsmen are left hand thread.
Looking at the photo of Ricks crankshaft in the same thread, it appears the crank has right hand threads. Have you tried a 12 point socket & an impact driver on it?
Rick or Wayne will know for sure.
Mike Sal
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Mike is correct. The pulley is keyed and the starter gear is right hand threaded. To remove the gear, just use a 12 point, 1 1/4 wrench. If you don't have a wrench that size, I am sure a monkey wrench would work, just be careful with the teeth.
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thanks a ton guys I have loked at all the pics i could see and no luck but the socket trick is may work too. the gear apears to be bronze is that correct?
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I think all the gears are steel. I would think bronze would be way to soft to last long.
Post a picture of your crank with the gear on it, please.
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i also thought that bronze would be way to soft. this gear si definatly not steel and is showing alot of wear. I will try and get some help with a camera i owe you guys some pics of the whole mess thanks again for the help jason
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Rick, does the sportsman pinion have the same number of teeth as the regular bikes? The center threaded hole must be significantly bigger for it to fit so far up on the crank.
Mike Sal
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Rick, does the sportsman pinion have the same number of teeth as the regular bikes? The center threaded hole must be significantly bigger for it to fit so far up on the crank.
Mike Sal
Yes it does Mike. The center hole is a 3/4".
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Just a quick thank you !!! I got the motor apart last night, even tried those pics but the camera wasnt willing to play. After a trip in the beads it really apears for all the world the gear is bronze. Also the sportsman case has a stress crack in the web and a broken mount both i belive can be repaired but I also have a good case that I could swap what do you guys think about this? I will repair the origial wither way unless it does not work out. thanks guys the wrench idea worked great wish i knew of it sooner Jason
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Welding the case in the web should work out fine. Put a magnet on the gear and let us know if it sticks!
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I wonder if a bronze gear was one of the many experiments Treen played with. You would have thought after all the years of using steel gears he would have already known what to expect out of a softer material......Or another possible explanation could be the regular vendor was going to be late in delivery (the volume for the sportsman version gear had to be quite low) & they sourced some bronze ones from some local shop to get them by.
Mike Sal
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Mike, I think it would have been easier to convert a regular pinion gear by removing the flange, drilling the hole larger and taping the threads.
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Hey guys put a magnet to the gear. It is very weakly magnetic i do mean weakly so really dont konw on that one??
also I hada couple case numbers was hoping you guys could tell me a ball park year.N H10511 and a M15082b thanks for all the help so far guys. Jason
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That gear might be an alloy of some sort ...
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My guess on those engine crankcases are '47 and late '53 or early '54.
Mike Sal
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Hey, are you still working on this bike? Give us an update and pictures please!
When you opened up the motor, did it have the wave washers on the crankshaft? If so, I would really like a picture of those, as my motor did not have these and just had a couple of springs cut down to one coil in their place.