General Category => Frame, Tank, Seat, Controls, Etc => Topic started by: Ricks on July 25, 2015, 10:27:37 AM
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Has anyone found a replacement for the 2220 bulb? I am down to my last one, and they seem pretty hard to find.
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Here's some cheap ( (http://www.cb750c.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/swirl_20.gif) (http://www.cb750c.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/hook.gif) ) ones :
http://www.taillightking.com/Headlight_bulbs.htm
Take a look here , Rick :
These are reasonable ( about a third down the page #2320 )
http://www.discountleds.com/classicautobulbs.com/vintage.html
Pete . :)
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Here's some cheap ( (http://www.cb750c.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/swirl_20.gif) (http://www.cb750c.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/hook.gif) ) ones :
http://www.taillightking.com/Headlight_bulbs.htm
Take a look here , Rick :
These are reasonable ( about a third down the page #2320 )
http://www.discountleds.com/classicautobulbs.com/vintage.html
Pete . :)
Those 2320 and 2330 bulbs do not work. I have some and they will not light, need much more current.
I ordered a 2221 bulb, looks to be the same specification as a 2220, just a different filament shape. I will report on it when I get it.
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Yea you need to keep the candlepower down under 22 Wayne knows the exact power rating for the bulbs. For I have seen many on Ebay but way higher in CP. ???
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I think the indexing is different on the ring pin holes on those 2330s to begin with so the lead terminals on the end don't line up with contacts in sockets. Either that or they don't even align at all. Sometimes that is done on purpose so you cant accidentally install the wrong bulb.
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Good luck with that 2221 , Rick . Hope it's not too dim .
I just looked at one on ebay and saw that it was rated at 21C.P. .
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzYwWDkyMQ==/z/MsQAAOSwEeFVR1P6/$_57.JPG)
Pete . :)
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I think the indexing is different on the ring pin holes on those 2330s to begin with so the lead terminals on the end don't line up with contacts in sockets. Either that or they don't even align at all. Sometimes that is done on purpose so you cant accidentally install the wrong bulb.
I just compared a 2320 and 2330 and the indexing looks the same as a 2220. They are listed as having the same base, if that means anything?
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Good luck with that 2221 , Rick . Hope it's not too dim .
I just looked at one on ebay and saw that it was rated at 21C.P. .
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzYwWDkyMQ==/z/MsQAAOSwEeFVR1P6/$_57.JPG)
Pete . :)
That is the same C.P. that a 2220 is rated at. I'm am not that concerned with brightness, just want them to work.
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We had 'house' guests for a few days . I rode up on the Simplex and my friend said that the headlight was kinda dim . I told him that I didn't plan on a lot of night riding anyway .
So , at least I know my headlight works , dimly . :D
I don't have a reflector or bulb holder ( that's part of the reflector isn't it ? ) . I just soldered a 6 volt bulb to some fairly stiff wires , which attach to the housing connections . I didn't really think I'd have much brightness , if any .
Pete . :)
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I got the 2221 bulb today. The indexing is different. What I did was heat the base to loosen the solder, then indexed it the same as a 2220. and voila, we are in business! Looks the same as the 2220 in the bike sitting next to it.
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Good deal . Is it brighter ?
Pete . :)
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Good deal . Is it brighter ?
Pete . :)
Same as a 2220, as expected, as the specs are the same.
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" Same as a 2220, as expected, as the specs are the same. "
I should have known that . (http://www.jeepforum.com/ubb/brickwall.gif)
" What I did was heat the base to loosen the solder, then indexed it the same as a 2220. and voila, we are in business! "
Always more than one way around a bush . ;)
Pete . :)
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I think I have found a way to fix the headlight woes. I found this light on eBay and I purchased two of them no. 131507127914 for about 10.00 each. I rigged one on the bike with the Honda motor and holy crap on a cracker it's bright. I haven't tried it on a Simplex coil yet but I'm tired and it's late. It shouldn't be a problem because the light runs on 6 to 36 volts and it doesn't take much at that. I mean when I'm kicking the motor it starts lighting up at first turn of the crank. The only set back is its wider than the reflector but not by much. I will know more soon but this is what you get and this is at idle. I will keep y'all updated. ;D
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Reese ,
Will that fit in the bucket ?
Definitely bright . (http://www.cb750c.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif)
Pete . :)
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Don't know yet I will explore this in the morning.
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See ya then .
Sweet dreams .
Pete . :)
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Ok I can not wait till dark I want a night ride! Ok the unit will fit into a empty bucket but you run into trouble when adding things. Kinda like if you wanted to run your switch in there or have the insulated post there. Maybe somebody could figure out how to trim it up to fit well. I do see the it has a pattern that the camera will pick up but you can't see it as it happens. It's just bright. 8)
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Reese ,
Try one off a Simplex motor , while you're waiting for nightfall . ;)
Pete . :)
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Well I did not get the engine to start up but the light does light up as I kick it. I even too a 9volt battery and it will power th u s light. Does anybody have any thoughts? ???
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Thoughts ... Hmm > I like the idea of a good headlight .
I guess I'll have to order one of what you have and see how I can incorporate it into the Simplex set up .
I'd think that the power supply could be hidden in the steering neck support , but that would require lengthening the wires . But , I suppose that might have to be done anyway .
Pete . :)
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Well it does not brighten or dim as you ride. It comes on bright and stays that way. Now if I can get it tighten up So it stays up. You know when your old it has a hard time staying up.
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Reese ,
Sounds like you just have to tighten the nut up a bit . :o
Pete . :)
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I thought they were tight enough but now it is. Let me tell you it's nice riding at night and being able to see. I now need to put the front fender on to keep stuff from flying up into my face. I think I need to pull the rear tire and check the bearings because there is something rubbing somewhere. ;D
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Good evening,
I know this topic is old, but I am wondering if anyone got the 2221 bulb to light with the Phelon magneto? I bought two new Mazda 2221 to use on my bikes and thought I would see if it will light before I rotate the flange on the bulb.
My mag will not light the bulb but the mag shows about 8 volts charging. The resistance measurements are similar to ones Paul posted in a different thread. I tested the bulb connected directly to the wire out of the mag and grounded to the cylinder not even a little glow. It does spark a little when connecting. I check tail light coils also.
All three coils will light up the low side of a Sylvania 1154 just fine, but not the high side.
Please let me know.
Thank you,
Scooter
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Good evening,
I know this topic is old, but I am wondering if anyone got the 2221 bulb to light with the Phelon magneto? I bought two new Mazda 2221 to use on my bikes and thought I would see if it will light before I rotate the flange on the bulb.
My mag will not light the bulb but the mag shows about 8 volts charging. The resistance measurements are similar to ones Paul posted in a different thread. I tested the bulb connected directly to the wire out of the mag and grounded to the cylinder not even a little glow. It does spark a little when connecting. I check tail light coils also.
All three coils will light up the low side of a Sylvania 1154 just fine, but not the high side.
Please let me know.
Thank you,
Scooter
Maybe your mag isn't putting out enough amperage .
You can check :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2scIheTlvQ
Take that amount and multiply it times the voltage to see how many watts you have to work with .
My '57 has a Phelon mag . I had no juice to the headlight . I rewound the HL coil and now have a decent amount of light .
Pete . :)
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Good afternoon Pete.
I am sorry, but I put your name a Paul (regarding resistance measurements) when I first started this post.
I pulled the flywheel and cleaned all grounds and wire end. I checked the resistance of the coils while they were disconnected and got: 2.0 ohm for the headlight coil. 1.1 ohm for each tail light coil.
I ran it and get 18v AC on the headlight coil and 8v AC on the tail light coils. The coils do not look damaged or over heated.
18v AC seams rather high for that coil.
At this time, I do not have a way to measure current of the coils because my analog meters will not do AC current and my digital one that will do AC current goes bonkers when connected to an alternator.
I am also wondering if the brake coil should be able to light the high side of the Sylvania 1154. That is 16 watt on the package.
Any ideas? May have to rewind the headlight coil.
Please let me know.
Thank you,
Scooter
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Your readings seem high to me , but , I only have what my system produced to compare . And , that is likely not optimum .
If your readings are correct , the headlight coil is producing about 162 watts and about 58 watts to the tail .
That should be way more than you need . Maybe enough to burn 6 volt bulbs .
I wish I could be more help . My bike is currently waiting to have the motor bearings replaced . I hear a whir on deceleration . I think it's either the crank bearing or the big end rod bearing .
Anyway , I won't be running it for a while , so I can't provide present day output readings .
Pete . :)
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Good afternoon,
Attached is an image of my coils. Do you happen to know if those look original? Maybe my coil is homemade and why it reads 18 volts AC.
I have ordered a clampmeter to try checking the coil. Based on bulb manufacturer information I could find, the 21cp bulb should require about 2.69 amps for the 6 volt systems.
Please have a look at the picture and let me know what you think.
Thank you,
Scooter
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Looks factory to me. Are your grounds good? I powder coat my frames, and they do not conduct a ground.
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Thank you for the reply.
I felt like it looks original. The part of windings I can see does not appear overheated. It will not make a 21cp bulb or a 16.8watt bulb glow at all. I will make the 5.3watt side of Sylvania 1154 super bright.
I think all the grounds and connections are good because I cleaned them yesterday and still get the same readings. I find it odd that I am reading 18v on the headlight coil. I would think if there is a short in the coil it would read lower than it is supposed to. I checked it with two analog meters in case the cheap meter was wrong, but I had to switch to the 50v scale on both because it pegged out on the 10v.
I am anxious to see the reading when I get an ammeter. I will let you know.
Thank you,
Scooter
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My coils were more 'covered' , but , a previous owner may have added tape . See attached .
In your pic , it looks like the HL coil power wire is connected to the power wire from the top coil , via the black with blue end covers . I can't see all the wire runs , so I hope I'm wrong .
(https://simplexservi-cycle.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1350.0;attach=15357;image)
Pete . :)
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Just in case, I checked the wires and they are correct. Too bad, that would have been an easy fix.
Thank you,
Scooter
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I did get an amperage measurement of 1.03 amps on the headlight coil. Explains why it will light the Sylvania 5.3 watt, but not the 16.8 watt.
I will unwind the coil and replace with new wire when I get a chance. I did find that Phelon made three different coils for the simplex depending on year, but I do not know what is different.
Thank you,
Scooter
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I did get an amperage measurement of 1.03 amps on the headlight coil. Explains why it will light the Sylvania 5.3 watt, but not the 16.8 watt.
I will unwind the coil and replace with new wire when I get a chance. I did find that Phelon made three different coils for the simplex depending on year, but I do not know what is different.
Thank you,
Scooter
I unwound my nonfunctional HL coil onto a tomato tower ( cage ) and simply painted it with regular Rustoleum paint . I let the wire dry and rewound the coil spraying paint on the coil every other round or so .
That worked . I now have headlight . ;)
Pete . :)
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Good morning,
I looked the coil over and did not see signs of over heating or damage but reluctantly unwound it to find nothing wrong with it.
The unwound resistance is the same as the wound resistance of approximately 1.3 ohms so it did not have a short. This matches the specification for 22 gauge wire.
Unwound length is about 81 ft 6 in.
Wire is .028 insulated OD and .025 OD bare. should be 22 gauge. Wire is rated at 920 mAmp. which is close to what I measured for output.
310 turns on coil.
I checked my magneto part number and mine is version 1 which it should be for 1956. I believe this coil performs as it was intended to with the 6cp bulb. Too bad those seem nonexistant.
So, I am wondering if anyone who has a Phelon that lights a 21cp bulb knows the coil wire diameter and number of turns and resistance and has measured the amperage? I would like to rewind that.
Please let me know.
Thank you,
Scooter
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I made a new headlight coil and ran it. It only barely lights the 21 cp bulb. It is 10 volt at 1.35 amps.
The amperage is low so I am wondering if my magnets are weak even though I have good ignition spark. Probably not going to mess with it anymore unless I get the flywheel charged.
New coil is:18 gauge wire at 297 turns using approximately 88 feet and .56 ohms. I made it longer also. The core is 1.00" and finished out at 1.85 x 1.85 x 1.05 long. This size is almost too big and close to rotating magnets.
Old coil is: 22 gauge wire at 310 turns using approximately 81.5 feet and 1.3 ohms and core is about 7/8" and finished out at 1.43 x 1.35.
When I installed it I was wishing I had shimmed the wide side where the bent tab goes about .015 more. It was hard to push on.
Attached are pictures of the fixture to wind it and you can see the shims I had to add because the core is a little bigger than half inch and is wider in one direction. The carboard core in the picture is from the original, I forgot to take pictures of mine.
Thank you,
Scooter
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OK Scott, you have to post a picture of your lathe.
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I inherited this lathe and all tooling from my Grand dad. He taught me to machine.
I have a small drill press and bandsaw and a 6" lathe I bought.
love to machine.
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Nice . And , that crank taper turned out good , too . ;)
Pete . :)
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I also inherited my first lathe from my grandfather. It was an Atlas/Craftsman 6". I passed it along to my nephew about 12 years ago, and replaced it with a SB9A, which I still have. I supplemented it with a SB13. I also have a Millrite vertical mill. I love having these machines, it allows me to make many things.
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Thank you, the tapers were difficult because I do not have a way to measure exact so I glide the cutting tool along a good side until it matches. I recorded the angle of the tool post, but found I wrote down the wrong number when I got to the flywheel and had to do the angle check over and some slight adjusting with the lapping.
I think the angle is near 5 degrees.
I am glad there was some keyway left for the breaker cam to use as a guide to line up.
Now I am just jealous of Ricks set up. I have always wanted a mill, but have not bought one because I can use the one at work.
Thank you,
Scooter