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vmbc web site
« on: November 23, 2013, 07:40:34 PM »
I saw on the vmbc web site there must have been some "spatting" goin on a while back. Was there some complaining done with the president? I haven't seen any updates on the site for quite a while. I stopped even checking the forums... not even worth the time. That is a shame that there are that many members in the club and no one wants to take the time to do any updating. I sure had a blast at Portland this year, I hope they decide to make some changes to the web site and forums....it does not take long for a BIG event to turn into a small event when organizers start fighting.

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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2013, 09:23:17 PM »
The body pretty much follows the head .

Changes , easy changes , have been suggested more than once , by more than a couple people , but you see what that brought .

Goes around , Comes around . :)

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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2013, 06:40:03 AM »
I think most of the people that were trying to get Darren to make changes have given up.  It just wasn't worth it.  I spoke to him at Portland, he is registered here to see what he could have, but choses not to.
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2013, 01:54:19 PM »
I think part of it is the bulk of the VMBC membership are older "non-computer" types, and that includes the "board" of the club.  They don't appreciate the power the web has to offer.  They are cozy with the way things are right now.  They have a stable population (although they are getting older by the day) & a manageable convention that keeps the ball rolling.  They may be afraid that by letting the world wide web have a bigger influence, things could spin out of their ability to control it.

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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2013, 02:11:48 PM »
That's tunnel vision with a slash of paranoia ::) ::)

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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2013, 06:17:54 PM »
I delt with Darren this year getting everything lined up to do the kettle korn at the event, and he was always very helpful and pointed me in the right direction. He also said he didn't know what the board would think about letting another food vendor in, and I think he went to bat for me at the board meeting, seemed like a real nice guy, I bet there is alot more going on behind the scenes. Hope it all works out.

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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2013, 07:03:24 PM »
awhile back I wrote on here and ask if anyone else felt that vmbc was just for cushmans. well I wrote to Darren and the letter I got back was just amazing. he said that his dad did the magazine and yes he leaned to cushmans and that's just the was it is. SO, guess what, I no longer am a member of vmbc and don't really care. my son and I have a lot of simplexs and well just enjoy them at places that like everything. by the way, Cushman has a national club and a magazine.

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2013, 10:17:33 AM »
I think Darren is a nice guy & understands the shortcomings of the magazine (& convention).  I don't expect much to change until some more of the old timers have to step down to let new blood in.  Now having said that, I don't know that I want to step up to volunteer, as like a lot of us, I have too much on my plate already.

Another thing we have to keep mind of is that we are little fish in a big motorbike pond.  The Cushmans will always get top billing even thou they have their own club & magazine.  Had Paul build a little more bulletproof motor, maybe there would have been more Simplex survivors out there & we'd get a little more recognition.
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2013, 10:44:52 AM »
I saw on the vmbc web site there must have been some "spatting" goin on a while back. Was there some complaining done with the president? I haven't seen any updates on the site for quite a while. I stopped even checking the forums... not even worth the time. That is a shame that there are that many members in the club and no one wants to take the time to do any updating.

Here's the short version of what happened:

Apparently member bjm (I did not know the identity of that person until coming here and seeing it) had been corresponding with Darren about magazine content which leans heavily Cushman and Whizzer. Darren took offense to some of the things that were said and got upset. So...Darren goes on to the VMBC forum and posts his "sorry I have neglected to reply to the website recently" thread. Within that thread he mentioned that he'd post an "explanation" of the delay. A few days go by and then suddenly the "explanation" appears on the club's homepage that was basically a copy and paste job of bjm and Darren's email exchange along with comments added by an upset Darren.

I am the one that wrote the lengthy reply to Darren's forum posting. I thought Darren really needed to hear (or see) that and I still stand by what I wrote. My post was about how poorly I felt Darren handled the situation and that he made private communication public. It was not a "he's right, you're wrong" kind of post.  I am not going to re-post that re-hash all of the content...you can go to the VMBC forum page and have a look. One of the things I suggested was that Darren pull that off the club homepage, which he did several days later. He hasn't been on the forum since then and the overall website has not been updated since.

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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2013, 11:29:41 AM »
All of the things said in this thread are right on, as far as I'm concerned.

I think Darren is a nice guy and corresponded with him off and on for a few years about a variety of subjects, mostly things he would mention in the magazine or at times when he was soliciting information and opinions on different things.

I also think that perhaps Darren was a little shell shocked by what happened on the forum which is to say quite a few folks came along asking questions and making suggestions on club issues and Darren was having to make on-the-record "official" responses to all of these things as the club president. Some things were addressed and addressed well, some things weren't. Some things he simply ignored and did his way. But because he was always there, the forum turned into a glorified question and answer form.

I think Mike Sal hit the nail on the head saying that the club is cozy with the way things are. They have the magazine and do it the way they've done it for 20+ years (I've been a member of VMBC for 16 so at least that long) and they have the Portland meet which they also don't want to seem to make any real changes to.

Like I said, I've been a member for quite a while so I've seen what's changed over the last 16 years: very little. The club is really sort of a "good 'ol boys" club. There is a "board" that is supposed to govern the club. In my 16 years in the club there have been few changes to that roster. Those positions seems to be bestowed upon a chosen few and simply traded back and forth between the old guard. I can't recall the general membership ever being asked for nominations or to vote on board members. There is also no obvious way to determine what the term limits are or even if there are any. You'd think bylaws would have been distributed to the membership, but I've never seen such a thing. That group seems to act darn near in isolation and what they say goes. If they don't want the change, it isn't happening no matter what. How to get on the VMBC's radar and eventually on the board is a total mystery to me. Since most of those people are the "non-computer" type, what's going on with the club website seems foreign to them and they don't really care; it's all about Portland and the 4 magazines per year to reminisce about the last one and trump up the coming one.

I've also been to Portland. A lot of folks show up with a lot of interesting machines, but it's really a free-for-all sort of environment. I guess everyone seems happy with that, but I feel that it could be "better" and safer with only minor changes. Personally I think what's really happening is that the meet has already grown beyond what the VMBC can really control and organize and as a result the number of issues and complaints probably rises each year.

The VMBC forum is really what's tragic though. There is the potential for a goldmine there (getting the vintage motorbike and scooter community all active in one place could be unbelievable), but they are using OLD, clunky software that does not support private messages, emails, photo posting, etc. It's sad that the club paid for (and continues to pay hosting for) what they have now which is pitiful.

Suggestions have been made, questions have been raised. Most have discovered that pursuing those things just isn't worth the headache and they gave up and moved on.


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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2013, 12:45:48 PM »
Don't let this discourage anyone from going to Portland!  The meet is really fun; great people, good times had by all!  We need 50 Simplexes there for next year!!!
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2013, 01:56:16 PM »
Are there 50 signed on here that go to portland? Should be easy then!

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2013, 01:57:04 PM »
i think doodle bug was right on the mark. iam sure portland is fun, but the name of the club is VINTAGE MOTOR BIKE CLUB.   NOT CUSHMAN SCOOTER CLUB
guys, i change all the time if its better, iam 70 years old, i race simplex go karts, am the state president of a motorcycle club i wont name. if you dont change youll be left behind and that seems to be whats happening. i didnt relize that the membership didnt have a vote in the vmbc, WOW
please dont get me wrong,iam not trying to piss anyone off, just venting about how one sided they are.

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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2013, 02:24:59 PM »
The only reason I belong to the club is to get into the Portland meet without having to pay each day.  I could care less about the magazine, and even less about the judged show! 

If I lived in the Ohio area, where it appears a majority of the trustees live, I might be more involved.
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2013, 02:25:41 PM »
Are there 50 signed on here that go to portland? Should be easy then!

Hard to get people to travel far!
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