General Category => Engine & Transmission => Topic started by: jrc on November 18, 2011, 09:20:15 AM
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I've been following this site for a few months now. Great people and posts. This is my first post. I'm working on a '55-'56 automatic that is mostly there. My concern is the mag., points, & coil setup. Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this? I'm stumped.
Thanks in advance for any help.
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Wico or Phelon magneto?
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Wico or Phelon magneto?
I have the Wico. And I have the diagram which you attached. I thank you and appologize for not giving full info to start. I just received a new ignition coil from Wayne but it only has one "side" terminal on it. Can both spark plug leads be attached to that same terminal ?
Thanks again.
Randy
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Wayne told me to just run 1 plug wire to 1 of the spark plugs. Just leave the other as a dummy. I have ran the single terminal coil and an original twin coil and it runs the same.
Here is a picture of how I ran it at first, but I redid the lower wires and ran them in the middle as they rubbed on the outside of the flywheel.
If you have any other questions, let me know and I'll see if I can help.
Post up some pictures of your bike!!!
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Thanks Rick, I'm not set up for posting pics yet but plan to get it going. Will post pics when able.
Thanks again,
Randy
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Thanks Rick, I'm not set up for posting pics yet but plan to get it going. Will post pics when able.
Thanks again,
Randy
There nothing to posting pictures. If you have them on your computer you just add them to the reply by clicking on the Additional Options button right under the dialog box. Really easy!!
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I have the phelon mag on mine. It appears that I either make a special wrench, or use a pipe wrench to remove the pinion / flywheel nut. It also appears this mag set up is a little more sophisticated that the Wico version. I wonder if one of those coils could be used to charge a battery?
Mike Sal
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1 1/4" twelve point socket.
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Thanks rick, that sounds a lot better than taking a pipe wrench after that gear. I'll have to look tonight to see if I've got a 12 point one (probably do). I don't use the big tools too much anymore (but am getting ready to trade for a Case 800 tractor, so that might change). I know that I've got at least a couple of box end wrenches that are 12 point.
Mike Sal
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One thing I forgot to pay attention to was the orientation of the cam on the crankshaft. Does the arrow next to the part number indicate the direction of crank rotation (makes sense, but ya never know)?
Here's a shot of the cam & the Phelon mag set up. Looks like the Wico system was easier to route wires thru than the Phelon (all the wires must pass thru one hole).
Mike Sal
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I have the phelon mag the center hub has pulled out of flywheel it appears to have been brazed originally ,thought I would just MIG it back on does the orientation to the keyway matter since point cam is a separate part , also why so many wires out of back of mag , one for kill switch and all the rest for lights seems like 1 or maybe 2 would be enough I can't quite see what's going on from the pictures . I do have strong spark at both plug wires even with center busted loose I was still able to kick it over a couple times
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If you blow up the image of the phelon manual, it tells what each of the wires does (ignition ground, Light wire(to switch), stop light, light wire (to coupling...?....mine wasn't hooked to anything when I got the bike)).
I wonder how in the world that hub came loose from the rest of the flywheel. I would think the orientation might matter. Here's a picture of mine & where the keyway is.
Mike Sal
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Thanks mike
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I forgot to mention that you might want to check into it before taking a welder to that flywheel....there might be a chance that you could discharge the magnets.
Mike Sal
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Had nt thought of that .that may be why it was brazed. I will definitely check into that first ,thanks
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Here is a couple pics of that separated flywheel hub
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I wonder if your flywheel disc might be bent a little bit? It's sure odd for that joint to fail, unless there was some vibration to work against the joint.
Mike Sal
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I think that pulled apart when I initialy pulled it the first time , that motor was a rusted mess to say the least ,sure will seem that much cooler to hear it run! Mike , if you talk to the guys at work about those magnets see if anyone else has an opinion on the orientation of that keyway I also plan to ask Wayne ,but will probley wait a few days to call to see if my parts arrive.
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Will do. I also went to the Phelon website & sent them an email about servicing a flywheel of our vintage. I'll be shocked if they answer, but you never know.
Mike Sal
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Thanks mike
this is my flywheel lined up in position with Larry's jig
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I tried to post pics next to mikes flywheel pic ,don't know how to do that yet.
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With the jig in place my keyway is at a 3,o'clock position. Mikes flywheel pic the keyway is at a 2.5 position I wonder if simplex stamped the letters in the same location each time
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I'm for sure my keyway is not lined up with the gap between the 2 pole pieces (dunno if it shows up well in the pic or the drawing). I've still not got around to asking the cad guy to make a nice drawing for me. I'll try to remember to get that done.
My guess is the numbers & name could be stamped in no particular order in regard to where the pole pieces are located. They would have stamped the shell with the name on it, then set up for attaching the pole pieces in no particular orientation (unless they used one of the 1/4-20 holes as a locator.....but there's no real reason to need to do that).
Mike Sal
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Mike , I was concerned about the position of the lettering in regards to keyway wish we had one more flywheel picture so we could see if the 3 were all different from a front view iam going to try to brazed it this weekend using Larry's ingenious jig !
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:-\ I was thinking, ( there I go again ) maybe there might be enough meat there on that centre hub to put countersunk 1/4 x 28 countersunk screws through the flywheel to screw into the hub ? no heat issue for shure , and maybe wacking on the end of the crankshaft to "uncork " the taper fit broke the flywheel hub to begin with ? I know outboard guys swear phelon magnets come off in droves when you shock brazed magnets , ,,,,,wish I thought of that when I did my other one years ago ,, maybe would have wound up with a better product ? Any ideas or thoughts ?? ( this is better than watching tv !!!)
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Nothing on tv where I live either ,had Wayne on the phone the other day he said he silver brazes them he also mentioned a hammer will shake magnets loose
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Who has time to watch tv......Hit an outside hydrant with the lawn tractor after I got home, because it looked like rain, so I didn't work on the building project.....broke it loose & wouldn't ya know it, but I didn't have the right size fitting to fix it.....so a 40 mile trip, one way, to the closest open store for a new fitting & a 3 foot deep hole later & we have water again.....just now got to set down to think about fun things....
Mike Sal
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don't need water , beer in fridge ! ;D